the best food to feed
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May 5, 2005 at 8:03 pm #1760
OK, so maybe the title of this post is misleading. Most of us know that there is no one best food for any living being.
In my opinion (and what I tell all of my clients) is that the best diet is one which is FRESH (preferably organic) and VARIED. This can be accomplished many ways. Let’s discuss them…
Dr. JeffMay 15, 2005 at 12:12 pm #1784
I have my dog on a mix of kibble and Barf.
The kibble is made by Solid Gold to which I add enzymes to help with digestion because once a food is cooked all the live enzymes die. He gets kibble in the mornings. He doesn’t like to eat all his food in one sitting, he has his kibble to go back to through out the day.
At night I feed him pre-made barf. I buy it premade even though it’s probably three times as expensive if I made it myself because I’m not confident enough yet to make it on my own. Unfortunately my dog hates any sort of veggies so the premade barf patties don’t work for him, the patties have veggies mixed in w/the meat and bone. I have to buy him the premade barf meat and bone mince (the bone is tiny you can barly see it, it’s ground up so much) to that I add, sea meal (for nutrients I may be missing by not giving him veggies) he also gets raw egg a few times a week. Once sometimes twice a week he also gets offal (organs).
To both his barf and kibble he gets oils added. I switch oils when I run out for variety. Oils made specifically for dogs. I’m still learning the ratio of meat vs bone and organ meats etc so until I know it 100% I won’t be making his home made barf until then.May 15, 2005 at 7:04 pm #1791
[quote=RysMom]I have my dog on a mix of kibble and Barf.
because I’m not confident enough yet to make it on my own. .[/quote]
Sounds fine overall and a heck of a lot better than just kibble alone. My main advice in your situation is to make sure that you’re giving plenty of variety. That includes using different brands of kibble and different meats. I love the new DVD about natural feeding for dogs (“Eat, Drink and Wag Your Tail”). It will help you get more confident about making your dog’s food.
Dr. JeffMay 18, 2005 at 12:55 pm #1816
Is kibble the dried food you buy in bags from the supermarket?
I feed mine on Purina Dog Chow for adults because they don’t sell the puppy version here. I did manage to buy one bag of it when I first got her but they since sold out and never got any more. Maybe it was a good thing because I read that switching to adult food early on is beneficial.
She appears to really enjoy it and healthwise she is fine. Should I be feeding her other things? I’m reading lots about raw diets etc and how they are much better but if she is fine with what she has then should I really change it?
MarkMay 18, 2005 at 6:59 pm #1817
[quote=chinamark]Is kibble the dried food you buy in bags from the supermarket?
Should I be feeding her other things?
Yes, kibble is dry dog food. No living being can be truly healthy eating mainly (only?) highly processed food, full of low quality ingredients, fillers, preservatives and artifical colors/flavors (aka dry dog food).
Your puppy may appear outwardly healthy (for now) but her body is not getting the raw materials it needs (fresh food). In order for her to attain her full potential and to live as long and healthy a life as possible, I strongly recommend that you start to introduce fresh foods.
You can do this in many ways depending on what is available there in China. I urge you to read some of my diet and nutrition info to get started. You should also listen to Wysong’s short audio message which relates to this topic.
Feel free to post here again if I can help further.
Good luck.June 25, 2005 at 2:55 am #1954
Hi, my 3 year old DSH female Lexi has just had surgery to remove two struvite crystals from her bladder. The vet is now recommending a canned food prescription diet called CD. I have a little experience making their food myself using Dr Pitcairn’s book and recipes, but mostly I have had them on Wysong Vitality/Geriatrix dry supplemented once or twice weekly with Innova canned food, cooked chicken, cooked chicken liver with oatmeal, or tuna. I would like to start feeding them more real food (though probably not raw food), but I am having trouble finding specific instructions on what foods and/or supplements will acidify Lexi’s urine so she won’t get any more stones. Most sites I’ve researched just say, feed an acidifying diet. Do you have any recommendations on what exactly that means? I’m assuming high in protein and perhaps added vitamin C powder, but don’t know what else to add.
And as a corollary to that, does anyone have any suggestions on how to feed such a diet when one is gone? I go away for one or two nights every other week or so. For a longer period I can have a sitter come in daily and give them the food I prepare (once I figure out what to make) but for just a day or two, is it acceptable to leave out “real” food as well as dry food and water while I’m gone?
Thanks for any suggestions.June 25, 2005 at 9:46 pm #1958
[quote=AmyWinter] I would like to start feeding them more real food [/quote]
Hi again Amy-
First of all I’m sure you know that [b]any[/b] dry food is a big no-no. The most important dietary aspect of FLUTD (which includes crystalluria) prevention is adequate hydration and water consumption. You can accomplish this with wet food, added chicken broth with additional fresh food.
Meat, in and of itself, is acidifying. Virtually any fresh meat which you add to the diet will help acidify the urine. Stay away from grains (which cats don’t need anyway). Dr. Strombeck’s diet book (he is one of the pioneers of veterinary gastroenterolgy) has some home-prepared diets specifically for this purpose. You could add that to Lexi’s variety of meals as I wouldn’t recommend relying on just one food.
Make sure you check a urine pH every few weeks to make sure that your staying in a good range. You can either bring a sample to your vet or check it at home with litmus paper or special test strips. As you mentioned, vitamin C added to the diet can help as can 250-5000mg cranberry extract (which will prevent bacterial adherence to the bladder wall and thereby help prevent further crystals).
This is a great article [url]http://www.littlebigcat.com/index.php?action=library&act=show&item=017[/url]
if you want lots more info.
Please keep us informed about Lexi’s progress.June 26, 2005 at 9:25 am #1959
I switched from pedigree to Chicken Soup For The Pet Lovers Soul.
My dogs are doing great on it.They were allergic to Pedigree.
Heres the links to other natural pet foods,that you don’t here much about.
[url]http://www.naturapet.com[/url][/code][/list]June 27, 2005 at 6:14 am #1960
Thanks for the tips, Dr Jeff, I will check out Strombeck’s book. It sounds good.
Regarding cranberry, I have some of the capsules that are sold for humans; inside the capsule is like a little hard pellet of red stuff which I am assuming is the solidified extract. How would you administer this? I was thinking if I softened it in a little hot water I could give it to her via syringe, though she hates that. 🙂
I will be starting both cats this week on some lightly cooked ground turkey and a small amount of cooked vegetable or psyllium powder until I can get the book and see what is recommended.
Thanks again for your help.June 27, 2005 at 8:26 am #1961
[quote=AmyWinter]How would you administer this? [/quote]
Just open the capsule and add about 1/2 to the food (or even less if you divide it among two or three meals). Most of my patients tolerate the taste quite well. Of course some cats will not eat when [i]anything[/i] is added to the food and in these cases you do have to resort to the syringe method.
Dr. JeffJuly 28, 2005 at 12:43 pm #2042
Did you ever get an answer to your question about “as a corollary to that, does anyone have any suggestions on how to feed such a diet when one is gone?” I know dry food is a no-no for cats, but the food our Gracie eats when we’re there would NOT stay out well for 24 hrs. Any ideas you received? Thanks!
LindaJuly 28, 2005 at 6:12 pm #2043
[quote=Linda Gramatky Smith]any suggestions on how to feed such a diet when one is gone?” [/quote]
Good morning Linda-
Any of the freeze-dried meats such as Wysong Archetype work great for this.
Dr. JeffNovember 18, 2005 at 8:43 am #2414
Thats one way but i am not sure if it will work with every option.November 18, 2005 at 11:52 pm #2415
I would like to make a suggestion for anyone who is interested.
This is an excellent book: K9 Kitchen: Your Dogs Diet – The Truth Behind the Hype by Monica Segal, AHCW
You can read about Monica here: [url]www.monicasegal.com[/url]. She also hosts a yahoo group – K9 Kitchen.
I was lucky enough for someone to tell me about her and I am learning so much from her…so I just have to share 🙂 .
MichaelaNovember 20, 2005 at 5:07 am #2417
So, I thought I was doing the right thing by feeding my adult cat wet and dry food from my neighborhood Whole Foods market (cuz they wouldn’t sell anything that’s bad for you, right?). Now I have just adopted another older cat with Feline Infectious Peritonitis, and I’ve been feeding him wet and dry kitten food because he’s very skinny, and I thought that kitten food might help him put on some weight. Now, I realize that I haven’t a clue about what I should be feeding my cats, and I need some guidance.
I read Dr. Jeff’s page about the foods and supplements he recommends, but I’m a little confused about the Wysong Archetype food — is it for both cats and dogs? And what fresh food should I feed my cats? Any advice will be greatly appreciated. My cats thank you as well. Meow.November 20, 2005 at 10:55 pm #2419
[quote=BethCA66]Wysong Archetype food — is it for both cats and dogs
Yup. Any good food can be used for both species.
There really is no specific fresh food to use for your cats. Any beef, poultry, fish, pork, eggs, cheese etc. *in variety* is great. Of course organic is even better, Basically they should be eating anything healthy that we eat.
Michelle Bernard’s excellent book on the subject (see the excerpt in my library) is a great resource. You can also find a great variety of fresh meats at [url]http://www.hare-today.com[/url].
Dr. JeffNovember 21, 2005 at 7:43 am #2422
Thanks so much!
I gave each of my cats a beaten egg and some raw organic chicken. I’m no longer feeding them dry food. (Why is dry food so bad for them?) At first they seemed confused by their new food, but they eventually ate some of it. I think tomorrow I’ll let them try some raw salmon. 😀
Again, thank you for this site and for your advice. I feel somewhat guilty because while my son and I try to eat a diet of organic and minimally processed food, I didn’t think to question what my cats were getting from the bag and can.November 21, 2005 at 10:55 am #2424
[quote=BethCA66]Why is dry food so bad for them?) .[/quote]
Read the articles on this topic in my info center for more info.
Dr. JeffDecember 7, 2005 at 7:09 am #2438
Hi Dr. Jeff,
So I have not been feeding the right food, even though it says holistic puppy food by Nutro Ultra puppy dry food?
So you recommend raw food? Where am I going to find such fresh and clean with no harmful germs on the raw meat? Especially where I live Organic raw food is hard to come by, if anything I would have to drive 1 1/2 hr to get to a good health food groceries. Even we humans don’t eat that healthy, that is pretty funny. I just want to feed my furbabies healthy dog food without all the poison like the commerical foods or I’m not trying to make my dogs to be health nut junkie either. So that my dogs grow healthy without any sickness or diseases and live to max life.
Do you have any other recommendation. Please let me know, I really appreciate it. Thank you. 🙂
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[url]http://www.getnutri.com/Shark-Cartilage.html[/url]July 27, 2006 at 1:33 am #2691
I have a 3 year old lab that weighs 100 lbs. I have been feeding him California Natural, but I am not sure that is the best one for him. I guess that is not organic and I have been reading alot about orgainic. Is California organic? And what would be the best food for my dog?March 22, 2007 at 2:09 am #2936
RAW is the best food.July 26, 2007 at 12:45 am #3039
My little Tibetan spaniel has itchy skin and a collapsed tracea. It seems the higher quality his food, teh less he coughs from his tracial problems. So, I want to switch to raw food and a supplement. any suggestions for an appropriate supplement? Can I also give him brown rice (he loves it)?
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